tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.comments2022-04-03T19:57:38.177-07:00தமிழக பெரும்பான்மை சமூக மக்கள்தமிழக பெரும்பான்மை சமூக மக்கள்http://www.blogger.com/profile/04733121595899575556noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-66731632922246387682014-06-27T22:01:57.186-07:002014-06-27T22:01:57.186-07:00In the Thiruvallur District, Kuvam thirupuranthaka...In the Thiruvallur District, Kuvam thirupuranthaka Eswarar koil inscription (1296 A.D), pertaining to "Thiribuvana Vira Ganda Gopala Devar (Telugu Chola) says as follows :-<br /><br />"வைத்தாந் பள்ளநும்"<br />"இவை பள்ளன் எழுத்து" (S.I.I. Vol-XXVI, No.354).<br /><br />In the Trichirapalli District Tiruppalatturai inscription says as follows :-<br /><br />"புலை அடியாரில் முன்னால் நங்கைபுரத்தில் பாட்டத்தில் நின்ற <br />புலை அடியாராய் உடையார் கம்பண உடையார் காரியப்பெர் <br />சந்த்ரசர் விற்க நான் கொண்டு உடையெனான சாதனப்படியால் <br />உள்ள பள்ளன் பிறவியும் இவன் பள்ளி அழகியாளும் இவன் மகன் நம்பாளும் இவன் தம்பி <br />வளத்தானும் இவன் தம்பி தாழியும்" (S.I.I. Vol-VIII, No.590). <br /><br />The word "Palli" (Vanniyar) refers to "Masculine Gender" in cholas inscriptions and the "Feminine Gender" is "Pallichi".<br /><br />"உத்தம சோழ வளநாட்டு அஃவனத்திலிருக்கும் <br />பள்ளி மீனநான வில்லியேன் என் பள்ளிச்சி <br />இராமன் திருவி" (A.R.E No.219 of 1904) <br /><br />In the Pudukkottai Thirumayam, Karaiyur Sundara Raja Perumal koil inscription pertaining to the king "Virupakshirayar" of 14-15th century A.D says as follows :-<br /><br />"வலையர் ஆடிக்கு ஒரு கூடு முசலும் காத்திகைக்கு <br />ஒரு கூடு முசலும் இடையர் பால் நெய்யும் பறையர் <br />ஆடிக்கு இரண்டு கொழியும் காத்திகைக்கு இரண்டு <br />கொழியும் பள்ளர் ஆடிக்கு இரண்டு கொழியும் <br />காத்திகைக்கு இரண்டு கொழியும்" (I.P.S. Ins. No. 715)<br /><br />In the Pudukkottai Thirumayam, Ilambalakudi Madavira Vinayagar koil inscription of 16th century says as follows :-<br /><br />"இலம்பலக்குடியில் பள்ளற்கும் பறையற்கும் <br />விருது சண்டையாக காஞ்சிபுரத்துக்குப் போய்<br />கல்வெட்டுப்"<br /><br />"இலம்பலக் குடியில் பறையற்கும் <br />பள்ளற்கும் சண்டை" (Avanam-15, July-2004, Page-31&32)<br /><br />In the Pudukkottai Thirumayam, Karaiyur Thirumanganeeswarar koil inscription of 16th century says as follows :-<br /><br />"காத்திகைக்கு இடையன் ப.ல் நெய்யும் ..<br />வலையன் முசலும் பள்ளன் கொழியும்<br />பரையன் கொழியும் ஆக இந்த சுவந்திரம்" (I.P.S. Ins. No.843)<br /><br />In the Pudukkottai Thirumayam, Thekkattur Agatheeswarar koil inscription of 16th century says as follows :-<br /><br />"தெற்காட்டூராக அமைந்த ஊரவரொம்<br />மேற்படியூற் பள்ளற்கும் பறையற்கும் <br />பள்ளற்கு தவிலும் முரெசும் செமக்கலமும் <br />நன்மை தின்மை பெருவினைக்குங்கொட்டி <br />பொக கடவராகவும் பறையர் அஞ்சு கா" (I.P.S. Ins. No. 956)<br /><br />In the Pudukkottai Thirumayam, Mellathanayam Mariamman koil inscription of 16th century says as follows :-<br /><br />"வீர சின்னு நாயக்கரவர்கள் பள்ளருக் குச்சிலா <br />சாதனங்கட்டளையிடப்படி பள்ளர் பறையர் <br />இருவகைப் பெருக்கும் வெள்ளானை <br />வாழை கரும்பு உண்டில்லை யென்று<br />விபகாரம் நடக்குமிடத்தில் பள்ளர் இந்த <br />விருது தங்களுக் யெல்லாமல் பறையருக்கு <br />இல்லை யென்று நெய்யிலெ க்கை பொடுமிடதில்<br />பள்ளருக்கு க்கைக்கு சுடாமல் வெற்றியான <br />படியினாலெ" (I.P.S. Ins. No. 929)<br /><br />In the above said inscriptions, the "Pallar Community people" and "Paraiyar Community People" were placed together. In one of the inscription, the "Pallar Community People" referred as "Pulai Adiyars"<br /><br />Hence there is no connection between "Palli" (Vanniyas) and "Pallar" (Devendra Kula Vellalar).<br /><br />The history is true fact.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-58008794749493394242014-06-27T21:58:03.930-07:002014-06-27T21:58:03.930-07:00Your community never called as "Mallar" ...Your community never called as "Mallar" in Cholas, Pandiyas and Vijayanagar inscriptions. Instead they say "Pallar" as your community name. The word "Mallar" means the "War Heroes" and moreover, it is common name for all the kings. <br /><br />In the Thiruthuraipoondi inscription No.204, (Tamil Nadu Archaeology Department) pertaining to cholas period says as follows :-<br /><br />"வண்ணார் பள்ளர் பறையர் உள்ளிட்டாரும்"<br /><br />In the Madurai, Melur (keeranur) inscription (S.I.I. Vol-V, No.273) pertaining to Kulotunga chola-III says as follows :-<br /><br />" இட்ட நிலம் கொங்கூர் குளத்துக் கிழைத்தூம்பில் எல்லைகளில் <br />பள்ளக் கவருக்கு தெற்கும் மன்றாடி சோழ கொந் செய்க்கு வடக்கும்" <br /><br />In the Thiruthuraipoondi inscription No.1, (Tamil Nadu Archaeology Department) pertaining to pandiyas period says as follows :-<br /><br />"வடபாற் எல்லை பள்ளன் ஓடை"<br /><br />During the Kulasekara Pandiya period of 13th century, the inscriptions says as follows :<br /><br />"இவ்வூர் குடும்பரில் பெரிய தேவப் பள்ளன்"<br /><br />(Seminar on Hero-stones, Editor R. Nagaswamy (page-77) published by the State Department of Archaeology, Govt of Tamil Nadu - 1974).<br /><br />In 1229 A.D., (Maravarman Sundara Pandya) the Nadu of Kana-nadu, the Nagaram, the Grama, Vanniyar and the Padaipparru's agreed to levy per capita on all the land holders as given below :-<br /><br />For Brahmins, Chettis, Vellalas 1/2 Panam<br />for Minors 1/4 Panam<br />for Garrisons 1/4 Panam<br />for Parayars & Pallars 1/8 Panam <br /><br />It shows Brahmins, Chettis and Vellalas were held equals and from the manual labourers like Pallas and Paraiyas 1/4 of what was levied from others (Kudumiyamalai) was collected.<br /><br />"பறையர் பள்ளர் பெர் ஒன்றுக்கு பணம் அரைக்காலும்"<br /><br />(Tamil Coins a study, Dr. R Nagaswamy, Page - 107 & 108. Published by Institute of Epigraphy, Tamil Nadu State Department of Archaeology - 1981) &<br /><br />Inscriptions of the Pudukottai State (I.P.S), Inscription No.561. (Kudumiyanmalai Inscription).<br /><br /><br />(Cont'd......)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-22020754983890427082014-06-26T16:07:53.775-07:002014-06-26T16:07:53.775-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-30243399710139926722014-06-19T06:52:23.179-07:002014-06-19T06:52:23.179-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-56534481159557076142014-06-15T12:42:12.900-07:002014-06-15T12:42:12.900-07:00We have hundreds of titles, which are all duly sup...We have hundreds of titles, which are all duly supported by S.I.I and A.R.E inscriptions. What about you, you people don't have any evidence for your titles during imperial cholas period.<br /><br />In this connection, I would like to give an information :<br /><br />"The eminent scholar Dr. L. Thiyagarajan, states that, "During the region of Vikrama Chola (1118 - 1136 A.D) and of his successors, inscriptions give enough information to show the "Palli" and "Surutiman" castes of this region (Ariyalur & Perambalur) supplied Soldiers, Officials and Generals to the Chola Government and enjoyed status in the contemporary society". <br /><br />What about you ? Nothing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-62396930389570059052014-06-15T12:24:38.873-07:002014-06-15T12:24:38.873-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-5597571262743728082014-06-15T11:58:27.036-07:002014-06-15T11:58:27.036-07:00Mr. Raja Vinodhan, your scoldings on Dr. Rasu is n...<br />Mr. Raja Vinodhan, your scoldings on Dr. Rasu is not considered as appropriate. <br /><br />Thilla Nataraja is the family deity god (Kuladeivam) of imperial cholas as per the several inscriptions of Vikrama Chola. The inscriptions says :<br /><br />"Than Kula Nayagan Thandavam Payilum Thillai Ambalam"<br /><br />"தன் குல நாயகன் தாண்டவம் பயிலும் தில்லை அம்பலம்"<br /><br />What you are going to do for the wrong sayings ?<br /><br />The Pallavas, Cholas, Cheras. Pandiyas, hoysalas are "Kshatriyas" (Velirs). <br /><br />Their descendants in Tamil Nadu are "Vanniyas"(Pallis), "Surutiman (Moopanars) and "Natttaman" (Udaiyars).<br /><br />Whether the "Kallar caste" is from "Kshatriya" (Velir) origin ? If yes in what way ?<br /><br />Your "Kallar community" people continuously saying that, you people are having "Thousands of titles". Whether all those titles assumed by your community during imperial cholas times. If yes, kindly show the inscriptional evidence for the same.<br /><br />Is there any inscriptional evidence proving "Kallar community people" as Chieftains/Feudatories during imperial cholas times. If yes, who are they ?<br /><br />Inscriptional evidence of "Nadalvar", "Senapati" and other high ranking officers of "Kallar community people" during imperial cholas period. <br /><br />Is there any inscriptional evidence proving "Kallar community people" participated in the war during imperial cholas period ? <br /><br />List out of the Temples constructed by "Kallar community people" during imperial cholas period with inscriptional evidence. <br /><br />What are all the donations/gifts rendered by the "Kallar community people" during imperial cholas times with inscriptional evidence ?<br /><br />From which time onwards your "Kallar community people" using the title "Thevar" ? Whether from imperial cholas times ? If yes, kindly show the inscriptional evidence for the same.<br /><br />Is there any rights in the ancient temples from Cholas times onwards to till now ? <br /><br />What are all the rituals and other customs being followed by "Kallar community people" at the time of marriage ? Whether it is like the same of "Kshatriyas" ?<br /><br /><br />I think, your community people never participated even as solider during imperial cholas times. Since, there is no inscriptional evidence available in S.I.I and A.R.E inscriptions.<br /><br />Your sayings (i.e) Vanniyar and Kallar are from same clans is totally absurd, meaningless and ridiculous. There is no single proof for the same. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-8397790965584493022014-06-15T11:35:15.006-07:002014-06-15T11:35:15.006-07:00In view of the above facts and also the article by...In view of the above facts and also the article by Mr. Swamy and my friend Mr. Vasanth, it is proved without any doubt that, the Velirs (Kshatriyas) are Vanniyas, Surutiman and Nattaman. <br /><br />Inspite of the said reasons, the "Kallar community" writers keep on writing history without any valid/base evidence and arguing their history through word alteration/modification, which is of no use to claim for "Kshatriya" status.<br /><br />Whether the "Kallar caste" is from "Kshatriya" (Velir) origin ? If yes, in what way ?<br /><br />"Kallar community" people continuously saying that, they are having "Thousands of titles". Whether all those titles assumed by them during imperial cholas times. If yes, they must show the inscriptional evidence for the same.<br /><br />Is there any inscriptional evidence proving "Kallar community people" as Chieftains/Feudatories during imperial cholas times. If yes, who are they ?<br /><br />Inscriptional evidence of "Nadalvar", "Senapati" and other high ranking officers of "Kallar community people" during imperial cholas period. <br /><br />Is there any inscriptional evidence proving "Kallar community people" participated in the war during imperial cholas period ? <br /><br />Temples constructed by "Kallar community people" during imperial cholas period with inscriptional evidence. <br /><br />Donations/gifts rendered by the "Kallar community people" during imperial cholas times with inscriptional evidence.<br /><br />From which time onwards "Kallar community people" using the title "Thevar" ? Whether from imperial cholas times ? If yes, they must show the inscriptional evidence for the same.<br /><br />Any rights in the ancient temples from Cholas times onwards to till now.<br /><br />The rituals and other customs being followed by "Kallar community people" at the time of marriage ? Whether it is like the same of "Kshatriyas" ?<br /><br />I think, "Kallar community people" never participated even as solider during imperial cholas times. Since, there is no inscriptional evidence available in S.I.I and A.R.E inscriptions.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-64186744463332952702014-06-15T11:09:38.085-07:002014-06-15T11:09:38.085-07:00In the Blog "Bargava Kula Udayargal" the...In the Blog "Bargava Kula Udayargal" the "Kallar community" writers says that, the Chieftains "Irukuvelir" belongs to them by the way of :<br /><br />Irungovelir = Irungovalar = Irungolar = Irunkallar = Kallar (i.e) "Kallar Community.<br /><br />What a good idea to make such word history. Naga Land = Nether Land = Scot Land = Switzer Land. This is not a history. Valid evidence is history.<br /><br />Irukuvelirs are the "Velir Clans" who ruled Kodumbalur region in the Sangam period and also later period. The another sect of "Velir Clans" of the Sangam period who ruled from "Pidavur" (Modern Pudaiyur Kattumannarkudi of Kadalur Dist). A territory called "Irungolappadi" which existed comprising parts of Udaiyarpalayam, Kattumannarkudi, Tittakudi, Virudhachalam taluks on both the banks of the Vellar river was ruled by the Chiefs of "Irungolar Royal Family" during imperial cholas period and had marriage alliance with them.<br /><br />According to cholas inscriptions "Irungolar" Chieftains/Feudatories are called as "Palli" (Vanniyas) / "Surutiman" (Moopanar) by caste.<br /><br />Kulothungacholiyar, daughter of "Navalur Irungolar" and wife of "Tundarayan Thiruchirrambala Udaiyar" of Tenur.<br /><br />A line of Chieftains/Feudatories who ruled the Ariyalur region during imperial cholas period was called as "Tundanadu Udaiyar" and "Tundaraiyan". They are "Palli" by caste.<br /><br />During the period of Virarajendra Chola (1067 A.D), "A lady named Marutandaki setup a lamp in the siva temple for merit of "Pakkan Senni" who was a son of "Kuttan Pakkan (alias) Jayankonda Chola Tunda Nadalvan" a "Palli" of Karaikkadu.<br /><br />"Tundanaudaiyar Cholakula Sundran Kalyanapuramkondan" (Conqueror of Chalukyas). He was called as "Tenur Udaiyan" during the period of Kulotunga Chola-I. These Chieftains/Feudatories are considered at par with "Vanagovaraiyars".<br /><br />"Tunda Nadu Udaiyan Ekavasagan Kulotungan (alias) Pillai Vanagovaraiyan" (1180 A.D).<br /><br />"Tunda Nadu Udaiyan Ekavasagan Ulagukanividutta Perumal (alias) Vanagovaraiyar" (1184 A.D).<br /><br />An officer of "Palli caste" named "Sendan Suttamallan (alias) Vanagovaraiyan" received a land called Tirumugakani from the king and he also made a gift of land to the Sennivanam temple in 1137 A.D. His another record in Aduturai (1130 A.D) mentions that he guilded the "Tiruchchirrambalamudaiyar temple" with Gold".<br /><br />During the region of Kulotunga Chola-I, "Palli Sengeni Senapati Vanarajar" also appears.<br /><br />In view of the above, "Irungolar Chiefs" are "Palli" / "Surutiman" by caste. The "Tunda Nadu Udaiyar" chiefs considered at par with "Vanagovaraiyar Chiefs" are "Palli" by caste and they had very close matrimonial relationship with each other and also with imperial cholas.<br /><br />The eminent scholars "Tudisai Kizhar Chidambaranar", Thiru. Natana Kasinathan, Noboru Karashima agrees that 'Palli" and "Surutiman" are from same clan.<br /><br />Why the "Kallar" community intruded in the name of "Agamudaiyar" to claim "Surutiman/Nattaman Udaiyar community means, certain "Irungolar Chiefs" had the Portfolio as "Agambadi Mudali", which means the "Officers" "Thalapathi", "Senapati" etc. under imperial cholas. The "Kallar community" mistaken the "Portfolio" name (Agambadi Mudali) as "Agamudaiyar caste" is great joke in history. Without knowing the fact, they started writing word alteration/modification history such as<br /><br />Agambadi Mudali = Agamudaiyar = Udaiyar = Kallar = Maravar<br /><br />Therefore, connecting the "Mukkulathor" (Kallar, Maravar, Agamudaiyar) with Surutiman/Nattaman Udaiyar on the above said formula is proved as wrong and all the writings made by them are considered as invalid/false.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-8810283780604775982014-06-15T10:52:13.253-07:002014-06-15T10:52:13.253-07:00The "Udaiyar Palayam" Chieftains, refer ...<br />The "Udaiyar Palayam" Chieftains, refer them as :<br /><br />"Bargava Gotram in Ganganooja Family that took its origin from Vanniya Kulam (the family of the God of Fire)".<br /><br />These ancient Chieftains were referred by the scholars as "Pallava clans". But, according to the valid (R) valid evidences, the "Parur Kachirayars" (Mugasa Parur Poligars), are the descendants of "Kadavas"(Pallavas). Udaiyar Palayam Chieftains are the relatives of "Kampana Udaiyar". After conquering northern provinces from "Sambuvarayas", the "Kampana Udaiyar" appointed his relatives to rule "Kanchi" from 14th century onwards, He also had matrimonial relationship with "Raja Narayana Sambuvarayar". Kampana Udaiyar is "Kshatriya" and his ancestors were close relatives of "Hoysalas" (Kshatriya). The "Udaiyar Palayam" Chieftains are the rulers of "Kanchi" and they referred as "Kanchi Purathipala". These Chieftains hails from the "Velir Clans" (Kshatriya). They referred in S.I.I inscription/documents as "Kachi Brama Vanniyar" and "Vanniya Kula Kshatriyar".<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-65240978118755444992014-06-15T10:48:04.008-07:002014-06-15T10:48:04.008-07:00The splitted groups of "Vanniyas" are &q...The splitted groups of "Vanniyas" are "Surutiman" and "Nattaman". The year 1009 A.D, Uttattur cholas inscription of Raja Raja Chola-I, clearly mentioned about "Surutiman Peruman Palli (alias) Periyavel Muttaraiyan" (Surutiman Peruman Palliyana Periyavel Muttaraiyan). He is obviously "Vanniya" by caste and also "Surutiman". According to Tamil Lexicon, the word "Suruti" means both "Split" and "Learned men". The "Learned Men" cannot be taken for the word "Surutiman", Since, during the period of the chola king "Rajendra chola-I, in the year 1015 A.D, "Surutiman Nakkan Chandiran (alias) Rajamalla Muttaraiyan attacked the royal elephants of Satyasraya, the Chalukya King in the battle of Kadakkam and lost his life". Such a "War Heros" Surutiman cannot be placed under "Learned men". The "Uttattur" (Ariyalur Dist) is the place where, the large numbers of "Surutiman" community people are still living from the chola times. During the period of Kulotunga chola-III, the "Surutiman" told a story in a inscriptions, that they came from "Agni" to destroy two demons. This story is similar to "Vanniya Puranam". More over, the "Irungolar Chieftains" mentioned in chola inscriptions as "Palli" and "Surutiman". Similarly, the "Vannadudaiyar Chieftains". The eminent scholar Dr. L. Thiyagarajan, states that, "During the region of Vikrama Chola (1118 - 1136 A.D) and of his successors, inscriptions give enough information to show the "Palli" and "Surutiman" castes of this region (Ariyalur & Perambalur) supplied Soldiers, Officials and Generals to the Chola Government and enjoyed status in the contemporary society". <br /><br />The "Nattaman" mentioned in chola inscriptions as "Yadava Kulam", which means "Velirs", the "Kshatriyas". The Rajendra Chola-I and Rajendra Chola-II, inscriptions mentioned the "Malayaman Kings" belonged to "Bhargava Gotra" and had the title "Yadava Kula". The "Yadava Kula", Hoysala king Vira Vallala Deva-III, mentioned as "Vanni Kula/Agni Kula" in the 14th century authentic work "Arunachala Puranam". The "Hoysalas" are the descendants of "Agni" born line of "Rastrakutas" and "Chalukyas". That is why, the imperial cholas had the matrimonial relationship with them.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-89055985139499379612014-06-15T10:43:45.136-07:002014-06-15T10:43:45.136-07:00The great "Velir Clans" (Kshatriyas) Ch...The great "Velir Clans" (Kshatriyas) Chieftains/Feudatories during chola period are as follows:<br /><br />The "Kadavarayars" mentioned in the cholas inscriptions, as "Palli" and "Sambu Kulam" by caste. The "Sambuvarayas" mentioned in the cholas inscriptions, as "Palli", "Vanniyan" and "Sambu Kulam". The "Malayamans" mentioned in more than 10 cholas inscriptions, as "Vanniyan", "Vanniya Nayan" and "Vanniar" (very close relatives of Kadavarayas/Sambuvarayas). The "Paluvettaraiyar" mentioned in the cholas incriptions/copper plate, as "Kerala Kings" (Cheras}, and the relatives of "Mazhavars" & "Kolli Mazhavars" (Ori king line). Many of their kings name such as "Kandan Maravan" means the "The real warrior". The "Tundanadudaiyar" of 10th century A.D. mentioned in the cholas inscriptions, as "Palli" by caste and they are considered at par with "Vanagovaraiyar". The "Vannadudaiyar" of 10th century A.D. mentioned in the cholas inscriptions as "Palli" and "Surutiman". The "Irungolars" of 10th century A.D. mentioned in cholas as "Palli" and "Surutiman". The "Pangalanattu Gangaraiyar" of Pallava/chola times mentioned in cholas inscriptions as "Vannian". The "Nilagangaraiyar" mentioned in the cholas inscriptions/Later copper plates, as "Palli". "Vanniya Nayan" and "Sambu Kulam". The "Vanagovaraiyars" mentioned in the cholas/Pandiyas inscriptions as "Palli". "Vanniyan". The "Mazhavarayars" mentioned in the cholas inscriptions as the close relatives of imperial cholas and the year 1511 A.D. copper plate refers them as "Vanniyas". Their descendants "Ariyalur Chieftains" mentioned in copper plate/documents/poems as "Palli" and "Vanniyan". The "Kadanthaiyar Chieftains" mentioned in the cholas inscriptions with the title "Mutharaiyar". They are "Palli" by caste according to "Aduthurai" cholas inscriptions. The year 1511 A.D. copper plate refers them as "Vanniyas" along with "Mazhavarayas".<br /><br /><br />(Cont'd......)<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-8690492642989999502014-05-21T15:36:11.357-07:002014-05-21T15:36:11.357-07:00Mr, Bullshit, please go and ask to any of your sch...Mr, Bullshit, please go and ask to any of your scholar about the authenticity. My self only given all those valid inscription references to my friend annal. You don't have knowledge in differentiating village name with caste name. Kindly see below :<br /><br /> வடபூவாணிய நாட்டு<br />கச்சிப் பள்ளிக் காமிண்டந் <br /><br />It clearly shows that, he hails from "Palli community" (Vanniyar). You are saying "Sellan Koottam of Kongu Vellala Goundar" (Kongu Region - Vellala Goundar). You must prove this,<br /><br />You also to know about who are the "Real Kongu Region - Vellala Goundar" <br /> of 13th and 14th century A.D ?<br /><br />In Thirupur (Kangeyam, Pattali) "Kongu Cholas Inscriptions" (1293 A.D), "Jayamkonda Velan Magan Paraiyan" is mentioned. The individual donated two lamps for the Pattali Palvenisvaramudaiyar temple.<br /><br />In Coimbatore (Mettupalayam, Velliankadu) "Kongu Cholas Inscriptions" (13th Century A.D), "Vellalan Cheyyaril Paraiyan Thenna Kon" is mentioned.<br /><br />In Coimbatore "Kongu Cholas Inscriptions" (1292 A.D), "Vellalan Pulligalil Paraiyan Paraiyanana Nattu Kamindan" is mentioned. The individual donated a lamp to Kovanputhur Sangisvaramudaiyar temple.<br /><br />In Coimbatore "Kongu Pandiyar Inscriptions" (14th century A.D), "Vellalan Paiyaril Paraiyan Paraiyanen" is mentioned. The individual donated a lamp to Idikarai Villisvaraudaiyar temple.<br /><br />In the same temple and same period the another individual named "Vellalan Paiyaril Sadaiyan Neriyan Parayanen" donated a lamp to the temple.<br /><br />In Coimbatore (Udumalaipettai, Kadathur) "Kongu Cholas Inscriptions" (1217 A.D), "Vellalan Kallan Paraiyan" is mentioned. The individual donated a gift.<br /><br />In view of the above authentic evidence, who are the real "Koungu Region Vellalar" ? <br /><br />According to inscriptions evidence, the answer is the "Great Paraiyar community", since they are called as "Vellalan Paraiyan", "Velan Paraiyan". "Vellalan Kallan Paraiyan", "Paraiyan Kamindan" (In inscriptions "Kamindan" means present "Kounder"). <br /><br />If any one claims "Vellala Gounder" in the "Kongu Region", they will be kept at par with "Kongu Vellala Paraiyar", "Kongu Vellala Paraiyar Gounder". Since the inscriptions of 13th to 14th century A.D, during the period of "Kongu Cholas" and "Kongu Pandiyas", certified the "Great Paraiyar" community as "Vellala Paraiyar Gounder" in the "Kongu Region". Hence, they are also "Kongu Vellala Gounder".<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13130843973971557638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-29209056710745406302014-01-05T15:32:21.229-08:002014-01-05T15:32:21.229-08:00இதில் வன்னியர் என்று குறிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது சுருதிமான...இதில் வன்னியர் என்று குறிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது சுருதிமான்களை...பல கல்வெட்டுகளில் சுருதிமான்கள் வன்னியர் என்று குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ளனர். Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172813397164996498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-21921847225156900742013-12-26T17:00:06.905-08:002013-12-26T17:00:06.905-08:00இது எல்லாமே தஞ்சாவூர் கள்ளர் பட்டப்பெயர்கள், இந்தப...இது எல்லாமே தஞ்சாவூர் கள்ளர் பட்டப்பெயர்கள், இந்தப்பட்டப்பெயர்களில் பெரும்பாலான ஊர்கள் இருக்கும், இந்தப்பட்டப்பெயர் இல்லாமல் கல்யாணமே நடக்காது. ஒரு பட்டப்பெயரில் உள்ள அனைவரும் பங்காளிகள். வன்னியர் சமூகத்தில் இவை இன்னும் புழக்கத்தில் உள்ளதா?குடுகுடுப்பைhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131346424292769559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-50190621613833719952013-12-12T08:39:50.051-08:002013-12-12T08:39:50.051-08:00சுமார் 5 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன் பொதிகை தொலைகாட்சியில் த...சுமார் 5 ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன் பொதிகை தொலைகாட்சியில் தென்னாப்பிரிக்க தமிழர்களை பேட்டி கண்டு ஒளிபரப்பியது. அதில்<br />ஒருவர் தன் பெயரை மிக்கி படையாட்சி என்று கூறினார்.இதிலிருந்து<br />தென்னாப்பிரிக்காவில் ஏராளமான வன்னியர்கள் வாழ்கிறார்கள் எனபது தெரிகிறது.சிவபுராணத்தை பாடுகின்றனர்.ஆனால் தமிழை மறந்து விட்டனர்.சிவபுராணத்தை வழிவழியாக மனப்பாடம் செய்துவைத்து பாடுவதாக அவர் கூரினார்.<br />samihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11225693152037326613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-77822931788461788352013-11-09T21:09:34.283-08:002013-11-09T21:09:34.283-08:00சொல்லப்போனால் கள்ளருக்கு தான் இந்த காடுவெட்டி என்ற...சொல்லப்போனால் கள்ளருக்கு தான் இந்த காடுவெட்டி என்ற பட்டம் அதிகம் உள்ளது.இத சோழகோன் என்ற பட்டம் கூட கள்ளருக்கு தான் அதிகம் உள்ளது.<br /><br />கோப்பெருஞ்சிங்கனுக்கு "அழகிய சிய்யான்" என பெயர் உள்ளதாம் தேனி பக்கம் கள்ளர்களை "சிய்யான்" என கூறுவார்கள்.கோனார்களிலும் சிலருக்கு இந்த அடைமொழி உண்டு.<br />ஏனெனில் "அழகிய சிய்யான்" என்பது "அழகிய பல்லவன்",கோபல்லவன்,கோபாலன் என காடவராயனை தான் குறிக்கும்.<br /><br />எனவே கள்ளரும்,வன்னியாரும் ஒரே மூலக்குடியில் தான் தோன்றியவர்கள் என தெரிகின்ரது. எனவே அந்த மூலக்குடி இருவருக்கும் பொதுவான ஒரு குடியாகதான் இருக்கும் என தெரிகின்றது.<br />-இராஜ வினோதன்Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01423442523502800216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-37648009234859315222013-07-09T20:22:40.866-07:002013-07-09T20:22:40.866-07:00kandasamy kandar college namakkal kandasamy kandar college namakkal Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557478783907357714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8603933539743368882.post-15922957082099498962013-06-26T23:54:11.805-07:002013-06-26T23:54:11.805-07:00good questiongood questionAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04777485860447387299noreply@blogger.com